Wednesday, February 11, 2026

JOHN DAY - PIECEWORK, EXPLOSIVES PIER SNFD BIG 1930S BIKES

 I thought I should do another episode of John Day’s reminiscences of apprenticeship at the Royal Arsenal in the 1930s. This one will cover piecework; the Crossness Explosives Pier and then a lot about  big bikes in the 1930s.

In my last episode I ended with a story of a man being paid for ‘piece work‘ .  John then described what this meant.  It was all very complicated and so i saved it up to include it in a new article where I would have more space.

 ‘Piece work’ was a system of payment where each job came with a card bearing the price that that job would earn. That price had been set by the ‘price fixer’ who was supposed to know exactly how long each job should take .... and inevitably  set off a number of arguments.  John explained that in the Arsensal there was a minimum wage that a workman was expected achieve based on the cumulative value of the jobs he had done during the week and they should at least equal the minimum wage. If he consistently did not do so there was a fair chance of his “getting his cards”. I assume everyone knows what ‘getting their cards’ meant ......  I’m sure in this day and age there’s a totally different system - it’s a long, long time since I last had the sack!

 

 A reasonably skilled man could exceed the minimum and be paid for all the work he had done up to a set limit, which was about one and a half times the standard wage. A good man could exceed this and on Saturday mornings you would see men shuffling the week’s cards to get as near the maximum as possible while leaving some cards for later weeks. This caused problems if a man left, as he could have cards for several week’s work which had never been done and the cards for it had never been counted.

 

Apprentices were not on piecework, though occasionally one of the older ones, on a repetitive job, would go on it to earn a little more money. If a man had an apprentice, adjustments were made for instructing time and for money earned for him by the apprentice.  John commented “Most of the time it probably balanced out”.

 

John said that he could not remember if working ‘a closed week’ earned him overtime or a week off later.  An apprentice’s wages in the first year was 12/-a week from which contributions for ‘unemployment’ – 10d. - and a friendly society contribution - 12d. - were deducted.  As a result he received just under 11/-  a week.  There was a rise of 2/- at the end of the year and the wages went on up until, when he was 21, he got 63/- as a young journeyman - the union rate

 

[12/- is twelve shillings – about 60p.    10d. – 4 p.    12d. is 1 shilling - 5p.   11/- is eleven shillings, 55p.   2/- iz two shillings – 24p.    63/- is £3.15p.]

 

The friendly society membership was for sick and similar insurance and his stamped card had to be sent in every six months. He belonged to the Ancient Order of Foresters whose secretary was Brother Moss of Verdant Lane, Hither Green.  The Foresters still very much exist with a big headquarters in Southampton and they date from the 1830s, set up to help workers ‘as they walked through the forest of life”.

             

John also gives descriptions of various areas within the Arsenal. One was a story of a visit to Crossness Explosives Pier.  This was located on the River at the eastern end of the Arsenal in what is now East Thamesmead - Thamesbank Place is apparently on the site.  It was a specialised facilty for loading ammunition and gunpowder from the nearby tumps - used as magazines. For more information and some pictures see https://www.royal-arsenal-history.com/royal-arsenal-piers.html

 

Sometimes John would visit the pier to accompany a specialist, Andy Clements. after a call about equipment needing attention. It meant a trip out to the eastern end of the Arsenal, often in the wet. They liaisded with the ganger on the pier who he describes as ‘an excitable Maltese whose name was Cordelli’.  Once there Andy would keep Cordelli talking while John surreptitiously moved the offending drum on the crane slightly. Then Andy would go up to the offending crane, wave his arms about and shout strange words whereupon the crane would begin to work again – Cordelli, he said, was ‘convinced Andy was practising some kind of magic’.

 

He also describesd ‘a near miss’ on that pier. A three-phase electric capstan was being installed and John had the job of wiring it up to its starter which was hung on the rear of a small wooden hut which straddled the rail tracks.  Looking round the hut he saw a couple of railway trucks heading straight him. The inevitable happened, the trucks hit the hut which toppled over onto the starter and ‘everyone on the land side of the pier thought I was underneath’.  Happily he had nipped out of the way.

 

He then describes what he calls ‘The short lived Royal Arsenal Sports Association Motor Cycle Club’.  This was in 1935 and I guess that many of you will be more interested in the bikes themselves rather than the people or the Arsenal. Happily John describes a number of the bikes which the members had and I’ve been looking them up on the net. It hasn’t always been easy to match up the information which John gives about the bikes with what I finding on the websites – but I’m happy to get corrected information and I’m sure there’s lots of you out there who will have it. I’ve also tried to find out what they asre worth today.  There’s nothing like the big bikes. It’s been said they were too noisy and dripped oil – but wasn’t that the whole point?

 

He says the club began in the Electrical Shop with Bill Beresford who had ‘03 Norton’ which I can’t identify. Norton were of course the long established Birmingham company who in the 1930s were manufacturing motorcycles for the military and other official bodies in their thousands . I also note that in the 1930s their  civilian machine was the ‘International’ with a strong reputation in professional motorcycle racing and described ‘ as evoking a golden age of motorcycling’.  I also their post war reputation plus a short term ownership by Plumstead based AJS. Value today from £5,000 to £25,000 plus.

 

Then there was Bill Croft who ran the battery shop that charged and repaired all the dilly and other accumulators in the Arsenal.  He had an Enfield Twin and side car’ Royal Enfield were a Redditch company also making machines in vast numbers. A1 search says “premium, high-performance luxury motorcycles often paired with sidecars.” Value today Today from £8,000 to £25,000 plus.

Percy Harris rewound small armatures an- it was said that he did more private vacuum cleaners than official motors. He had a 649cc vertical twin Triumph and sidecar, described elseswhere as one of the most iconic engines in British motorcycling history’. Designed in 1931 as an overhead-valve parallel-twin motorcycle for the Coventry based British Triumph Engineering Company and designed primarily as a durable sidecar hauler. Value today - one is currently advertised at £16,5000.

Meredith Smith – Merry Smith was in the drawing office. He was responsible for the heating in the about- to be- re-opened Nottingham Ordinance Factory. I was aware that the Arsenal had had various branches all around the country and I’d visited one In Scotland  but I was unaware of this one on Nottingham. It seems to have employed many thousands. It had opened during the Great War but later the site had been closed and sold and was then repurchased in the 1930s when it seemed likely that the Second World War would happen. It’s now a trading estate dominated by the buildings of the Experian Company. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROF_Nottingham.   Norton overhead valve motorcycles were introduced in 1922 and were iconic British singles and twins known for performance

Len Shum worked in thed drawing office,  He had a Overhead valve Raleig36  ‘iconic British machines., single-cylinder and later twins, renowned for racing success’ from the Nottingham manufacturer. However Raleigh had stopped production of motorcycles a year before this. Today they sell at between £3,000 and £9,000.

Len Dent. He had a MAC Velocette described as ‘economical, unglamorous transport’ quality machines hand built by a small firm in Birmingham. Value today £3,500 - £8,000.

 

Charles Day – John Day’s father who had a 1150 cc Brough Superior and sidecar- the  Rolls Royce of motorcycles. This is a machine produced by the son of the original Brough manufacturer, Nottingham  based Brough Superior – whose machines were almost all custom built.  Value today £45,000 - £400,000  (!!!)

 

Then there was John Day himself with a model 9 Sunbeam. Wolverhampton based Sunbeam was actually a subsidiary of ICI but in the 1930s was taken over by Plumste I ad based AJS. This 6493cc OHV single-cylinder British motorcycle produced from 1924 to 1939,  was known for its high-quality construction. One currently for sale £6,785.

 

The club met on Sunday mornings at the Prince Imperial Monument facing the Royal Artillery Institution. I'm a bit confused by this and I can’t find a reference to the Prince Imperial monuments on the Arsenal site. The Prince imperial was the son of French Napoleon III who livede in England in exile - the Prince was killed in 1879 in one of the Zulu wars. The Prince Imperial Monument is said to have been his statue which stood outside the Royal Academy buildings in Academy Road and since moved to Sandhurst. I think where they actually met was in one of the two Riverside Guard houses on the Arsenal site where the Prince's body is said to have rested after it was brought to England and before being taken for burial.

The motorcyclists went for runs round the Kent lanes or to a local motorcycle sporting event.  They ran a road trial which entailed following route cards at a set speed, there being time checks at unknown points. John thought he would do quite well in this his first motorsport event, but “had I not thought I knew better than the organisers in how to get from a to b.” The club only lasted a 

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JOHN DAY - PIECEWORK, EXPLOSIVES PIER SNFD BIG 1930S BIKES

  I thought I should do another episode of John Day’s reminiscences of apprenticeship at the Royal Arsenal in the 1930s. This one will cover...